#PROUDTOBEBLUECOLLAR® Show
#PROUDTOBEBLUECOLLAR® Show
#ProudToBeBlueCollar® Show is a podcast about the people who build careers in the blue collar trades. Hosted by Chris Crew and Jeremy Self of The Blue Collar Success Group®, each episode features a guest from the home service industry sharing how they got into the trades, what it took to succeed, and the tips and skills they use in their role every day.

Who this podcast is for

This show is for anyone working in or curious about the home service trades, including HVAC, plumbing, and electrical. That means business owners and managers, but it also means salespeople, service technicians, installers, CSRs, and dispatchers. If you are considering a career in the trades and want to hear what the path actually looks like from people who walked it, start here.

What you will hear in each episode

Every episode centers on one guest and one story. We cover how they found the industry, most of them did not plan on it, what the early years demanded, the turning points that moved them forward, and the practical tips of the trade they use in their specific role. Guests come from every seat in the business, not just the corner office.
Nov. 3, 2026

You Can't Hire Your Way Out of Bad Leadership

You Can't Hire Your Way Out of Bad Leadership
You Can't Hire Your Way Out of Bad Leadership
#PROUDTOBEBLUECOLLAR® Show
You Can't Hire Your Way Out of Bad Leadership

When good employees keep leaving, replacing them may not solve the problem. Chris and Jeremy examine management fit, team-lead trial runs, and the owner's responsibility to coach before making a change.

Promoting a great technician can create two problems at once: a struggling manager and the eventual loss of a strong technician. Chris and Jeremy discuss why technical competence, leadership influence and management capability are not interchangeable. Jeremy shares an example of an owner's first-choice candidate trying the service manager role for a week—and both sides realizing it was the wrong fit.

The conversation makes the case for team-lead responsibilities as a lower-commitment way to evaluate readiness, cover absences and create opportunities for employees. It also examines overloaded office managers and owners caught between too little structure and too much overhead. Before replacing a struggling manager, the hosts argue for checking expectations, systems, training and coaching—and having clear performance conversations rather than letting termination come as a surprise.

Key Topics

• Repeated employee turnover and management accountability

• Technical performance versus management capability

• Team-lead roles as management trials

• The owner's responsibility to develop managers

• Call-center structure and overloaded office managers

• Career opportunities and development for top performers

• Clear expectations and difficult performance conversations

Chapters

00:00 — Opening preview and the banana pudding callback

02:21 — You can't hire your way out of bad leadership

04:38 — Why the best technician may not be the best manager

06:33 — Test-drive the role before making the move

09:42 — Defining team-lead duties and testing management fit

13:42 — The owner's new job: developing the people developer

19:53 — The Peter Principle and fear of losing a manager

22:39 — Expecting one office manager to do everything

25:56 — Too little structure—or too much overhead

29:32 — Top talent needs opportunity and development

33:38 — The workplace confrontation that helped drive Chris away

36:08 — Before replacing a manager, examine your own coaching